Stuff I have written/presented
Submitted by gwolf on Fri, 01/02/2015 - 12:25
Having seen the end of December and the beginning of January, this is the time of year where we say "Happy new year!"
But this is a very interesting new year: We have also went past our much announced deadline for the <2048 bit keys to be removed from the Debian keyrings. And yes, our highly efficient keyring-maint team managed to deliver on the promised time — And, I'd say, with much success. Lets see the numbers — Only before that, refer to Jonathan's mail to debian-devel-announce for further, fuller information.
So, first of all, how do overall numbers look? Just remember, the following are not the number of DDs, just the number of active keys. That is, the holders to the 252 DD and 35 DM keys we removed are still valid Debian Developers/Maintainers, but have to get a new key accepted to perform many of their tasks in the project.
The graph above shows the sharp change between tags 2014.12.31 and 2015.01.01. But my definition of success is that we managed to get the number down to just 252+35=287 from what we had back in August, when we did our DebConf presentation and started the aggressive push: 490 DD keys and 49 DM keys. Since then, 34 DDs requested their retirement, becoming emeritus, and practically all of the rest managed to get their key transition done!
So, lets go again easiest-to-hardest. First, the Non-uploading Debian Developers keyring:
As this is the newest keyring in existence, and is also the smallest one, we were already without <2048 keys since 2011. Nothing to see, move along.
Then, as for the Debian Maintainers:
We did have a sensible migration from weaker to stronger keys, but it was not as sharp as I'd have liked. That makes sense, after all, since DMs have less involvement and compromise in the project in regard to DDs. So, we only processed 15 DM keys since August, which is almost a third of the keys we needed to process to reach the ideal 100% migration.
Now, as for our biggest and oldest keyring, and the one that denotes more project involvement, here is the graph for the uploading Debian Developers:
And yes, here you can see the sharp turn we saw in the second half of this year: By DebConf time, we were happy because the red and yellow lines had just crossed. But we were still sitting at 490 DD keys needing to be migrated. Half of the DD keys (compared to almost a fourth for the DM keys).
I'm almost sure we anticipated in our presentation (I know, I should check the video) that, by January 1st, we would have to retire around 300 keys. And I'm very, very happy and proud that we managed to get the number down to 252.
And, yes, people leave things to the end: We already have some more pending requests in the Request Tracker to introduce new keys for our fellow friends who were disabled. We will be working to make keyring pushes more frequent than our usual monthly uploads until requests go back to a sane level.
So, if everything runs smoothly, this will probably be the last of my posts in this regard. This has been quite an interesting (and exhausting!) experience!
Submitted by gwolf on Wed, 12/24/2014 - 11:49
I have long wanted to echo Gregor's beautiful Debian Advent Calendar posts. Gregor is a dear project member and a dear friend to many of us Debianers, who has shown an amount of stamina and care for the project that inspires everybody; this year, after many harsh flamefests in the project (despite which we are moving at a great rate towards a great release!), many people have felt the need to echo how Debian –even as often seen from the outside as a hostile mass of blabbering geeks– is actually a great place to work together and to create a deep, strong social fabric — And that's quite probably what binds the project together and ensures it will continue existing and excelling for a long time.
As for the personal part: This year, my Debian involvement has –once again– reduced. Not because I care less about Debian, much to the contrary, but because I have taken several responsabilities which require my attention and time. Technically, I'm basically maintaining a couple of PHP-based packages I use for work (most prominently, Drupal7). I have stepped back of most of my DebConf responsabilities, although I stay (and will stay, as it's an area of the project I deeply enjoy doing) involved. And, of course, my current main area of involvement is keyring-maint (for which I have posted here several status updates).
I have to say that we expected having a much harder time (read: Stronger opposition and discussions) regarding the expiry of 1024D keys. Of course, many people do have a hard time connecting anew to the web of trust, and we will still face quite a bit of work after January 1st, but the migration has been a mostly pleasant (although clearly intensive) work. Jonathan has just told me we are down to only 306 1024D keys in the keyring (which almost exactly matches the "200-300" I expected back at DC14).
Anyway: People predicting doomsday scenarios for Debian do it because they are not familiar with how deep the project runs in us, how important it is socially, almost at a family level, to us that have been long involved in it. Debian is stronger than a technical or political discussion, no matter how harsh it is.
And, as a personal thank-you: Gregor, your actions (the GDAC, the RC bug reports) inspire us to stay active, to do our volunteer work better, and remind us of how great is it to be a part of a global, distributed will to Do It Right. Thanks a lot!
Submitted by gwolf on Fri, 11/21/2014 - 13:29
Almost two months ago I posted our keyring status graphs, showing the progress of the transition to >=2048-bit keys for the different active Debian keyrings. So, here are the new figures.
First, the Non-uploading keyring: We were already 100% transitioned. You will only notice a numerical increase: That little bump at the right is our dear friend Tássia finally joining as a Debian Developer. Welcome! \o/
As for the Maintainers keyring: We can see a sharp increase in 4096-bit keys. Four 1024-bit DM keys were migrated to 4096R, but we did have eight new DMs coming in To them, also, welcome \o/.
Sadly, we had to remove a 1024-bit key, as Peter Miller sadly passed away. So, in a 234-key universe, 12 new 4096R keys is a large bump!
Finally, our current-greatest worry — If for nothing else, for the size of the beast: The active Debian Developers keyring. We currently have 983 keys in this keyring, so it takes considerably more effort to change it.
But we have managed to push it noticeably.
This last upload saw a great deal of movement. We received only one new DD (but hey — welcome nonetheless! \o/ ). 13 DD keys were retired; as one of the maintainers of the keyring, of course this makes me sad — but then again, in most cases it's rather an acknowledgement of fact: Those keys' holders often state they had long not been really involved in the project, and the decision to retire was in fact timely. But the greatest bulk of movement was the key replacements: A massive 62 1024D keys were replaced with stronger ones. And, yes, the graph changed quite abruptly:
We still have a bit over one month to go for our cutoff line, where we will retire all 1024D keys. It is important to say we will not retire the affected accounts, mark them as MIA, nor anything like that. If you are a DD and only have a 1024D key, you will still be a DD, but you will be technically unable to do work directly. You can still upload your packages or send announcements to regulated mailing lists via sponsor requests (although you will be unable to vote).
Speaking of votes: We have often said that we believe the bulk of the short keys belong to people not really active in the project anymore. Not all of them, sure, but a big proportion. We just had a big, controversial GR vote with one of the highest voter turnouts in Debian's history. I checked the GR's tally sheet, and the results are interesting: Please excuse my ugly bash, but I'm posting this so you can play with similar runs on different votes and points in time using the public keyring Git repository:
So, as of mid-October: 387 out of the 482 votes (80.3%) were cast by developers with >=2048-bit keys, and 95 (19.7%) were cast by short keys.
If we were to run the same vote with the new active keyring, 417 votes would have been cast with >=2048-bit keys (87.2%), and 61 with short keys (12.8%). We would have four less votes, as they retired:
So, lets hear it for November/December. How much can we push down that pesky yellow line?
Disclaimer: Any inaccuracy due to bugs in my code is completely my fault!
Submitted by gwolf on Thu, 10/23/2014 - 13:05
Petter posted yesterday about Listadmin, the quick way to moderate mailman lists.
I am a fan of automatization. But, yes, I had never thouguht of doing this. Why? Don't know. But this is way easier than using the Web interface for Mailman:
$ listadmin fetching data for firstname.lastname@example.org ... nothing in queue fetching data for email@example.com ... nothing in queue fetching data for firstname.lastname@example.org ... nothing in queue fetching data for email@example.com ... nothing in queue fetching data for firstname.lastname@example.org ... [1/1] ============== email@example.com ====== From: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Invitación al Taller Insumo Producto Reason: El cuerpo del mensaje es demasiado grande: 777499 Spam? 0 Approve/Reject/Discard/Skip/view Body/Full/jump #/Undo/Help/Quit ? a Submit changes? [yes] fetching data for email@example.com ... nothing in queue fetching data for firstname.lastname@example.org ... nothing in queue fetching data for email@example.com ... nothing in queue fetching data for firstname.lastname@example.org ... nothing in queue fetching data for email@example.com ... nothing in queue fetching data for firstname.lastname@example.org ... nothing in queue fetching data for email@example.com ... nothing in queue fetching data for firstname.lastname@example.org ... nothing in queue fetching data for email@example.com ... nothing in queue fetching data for firstname.lastname@example.org ... nothing in queue fetching data for email@example.com ... nothing in queue
I don't know how in many years of managing several mailing lists I never thought about this! I'm echoing this, as I know several of my readers run mailman as well, and might not be following Planet Debian.
Submitted by gwolf on Fri, 10/17/2014 - 11:24
Two days ago, Drupal announced version 7.32 was available. This version fixes a particularly nasty bug, allowing a SQL injection at any stage of interaction (that means, previous to the authentication taking place).
As soon as I could, I prepared and uploaded Debian packages for this — So if you run a Debian-provided Drupal installation, update now. The updated versions are:
And, as expected, I'm already getting several attacks on my sites. Good thing that will help you anyway: Even though it won't prevent the attack from happening, if you use suhosin, several of the attacks will be prevented. Yes, sadly suhosin has not been in a stable Debian release since Wheezy, but still... :-|
Partial logs. This looks like a shellcode being injected as a file created via the menu_router mechanism (shellcode snipped):
While the previous one is clearly targetting this particular bug, I'm not sure about this next one: It is just checking for some injection viability before telling me its real intentions:
So... looking at my logs from the last two days, Suhosin has not let any such attack reach Drupal (or I have been h4x0red and the logs have all been cleaned — Cannot dismiss that possibility :-) )
Anyway... We shall see many such attempts in the next weeks :-|
[update] Yes, I'm not the only one reporting this attack in the wild. Zion Security explains the same attempt I logged: It attempts to inject PHP code so it can be easily executed remotely (and game over for the admin!)
For the more curious, Tamer Zoubi explains the nature and exploitation of this bug.
Submitted by gwolf on Fri, 10/03/2014 - 13:58
Back in 2009, I set up githubredir.debian.net, a service that allowed following using uscan the tags of a GitHub-based project.
Maybe a year or two later, GitHub added the needed bits in their interface, so it was no longer necessary to provide this service. Still, I kept it alive in order not to break things.
But as it is just a silly web scraper, every time something changes in GitHub, the redirector breaks. I decided today that, as it is no longer a very useful project, it should be retired.
So, in the not too distant future (I guess, next time anything breaks), I will remove it. Meanwhile, every page generated will display this:
(of course, with the corresponding project/author names in)
Consider yourselves informed.
Submitted by gwolf on Thu, 09/25/2014 - 11:37
I am among the lucky people who got back home from DebConf with a brand new computer: a Banana Pi. Despite the name similarity, it is not affiliated with the very well known Raspberry Pi, although it is a very comparable (although much better) machine: A dual-core ARM A7 system with 1GB RAM, several more on-board connectors, and same form-factor.
I have not yet been able to get it to boot, even from the images distributed on their site (although I cannot complain, I have not devoted more than a hour or so to the process!), but I do have a gripe on how the images are distributed.
I downloaded some images to play with: Bananian, Raspbian, a Scratch distribution, and Lubuntu. I know I have a long way to learn in order to contribute to Debian's ARM port, but if I can learn by doing... ☻
So, what is my gripe? That the three images are downloaded as archive files:
Now... that is quite an odd way to distribute image files! Specially when looking at their contents:
And what is bad about them? That they force me to either have heaps of disk space available (2GB or 4GB for each image) or to spend valuable time extracting before recording the image each time.
Why not just compressing the image file without archiving it? That is,
Now, wouldn't we need to decompress said files as well? Yes, but thanks to the magic of shell redirections, we can just do it on the fly. That is, instead of having 3×4GB+1×2GB files sitting on my hard drive, I just need to have several files ranging between 145M and I guess ~1GB. Then, it's as easy as doing:
And the result should be the same: A fresh new card with Bananian ready to fly. Right, right, people using these files need to have xz installed on their systems, but... As it stands now, I can suppose current prospective users of a Banana Pi won't fret about facing a standard Unix tool!
(Yes, I'll forward this rant to the Banana people, it's not just bashing on my blog :-P )
[update] Several people (thanks!) have contacted me stating that I use a bashism: The <(…) construct is specific to Bash. If you want to do this with any other shell, it can be done with a simple pipe:
That allows for less piping to be done on the kernel, and is portable between different shells. Also, a possibility would be:
Although that might not be desirable, as it avoids the block-by-block nature of dd. I'm not sure if it makes a realdifference, but it's worth saying :)
And yes, some alternatives for not unarchiving the file — Here in the blog, an anon commenter suggests (respectively, for zip and .tar.gz files):
And a commenter by IRC suggests:
Submitted by gwolf on Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:13
OK, it's almost one month since we (the keyring-maintainers) gave our talk at DebConf14; how are we faring regarding key transitions since then? You can compare the numbers (the graphs, really) to those in our DC14 presentation.
Since the presentation, we have had two keyring pushes:
First of all, the Non-uploading keyring is all fine: As it was quite recently created, and as it is much smaller than our other keyrings, it has no weak (1024 bit) keys. It briefly had one in 2010-2011, but it's long been replaced.
Second, the Maintainers keyring: In late July we had 222 maintainers (170 with >=2048 bit keys, 52 with weak keys). By the end of August we had 221: 172 and 49 respectively, and by September 18 we had 221: 175 and 46.
As for the Uploading developers, in late July we had 1002 uploading developers (481 with >=2048 bit keys, 521 with weak keys). By the end of August we had 1002: 512 and 490 respectively, and by September 18 we had 999: 531 and 468.
Please note that these numbers do not say directly that six DMs or that 50 uploading DDs moved to stronger keys, as you'd have to factor in new people being added, keys migrating between different keyrings (mostly DM⇒DD), and people retiring from the project; you can get the detailed information looking at the public copy of our Git repository, particularly of its changelog.
And where does that put us?
Of course, I'm very happy to see that the lines in our largest keyring have already crossed. We now have more people with >=2048 bit keys. And there was a lot of work to do this processing done! But that still means... That in order not to lock a large proportion of Debian Developers and Maintainers out of the project, we have a real lot of work to do. We would like to keep the replacement slope high (because, remember, in January 1st we will remove all small keys from the keyring).
And yes, we are willing to do the work. But we need you to push us for it: We need you to get a new key created, to gather enough (two!) DD signatures in it, and to request a key replacement via RT.
So, by all means: Do keep us busy!
Submitted by gwolf on Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:04
I love to see there is a lot of crypto discussions going on at DebConf. Maybe I'm skewed by my role as keyring-maint, but I have been involved in more than one discussion every day on what do/should signatures mean, on best key handling practices, on some ideas to make key maintenance better, on how the OpenPGPv4 format lays out a key and its components on disk, all that. I enjoy some of those discussions pose questions that leave me thinking, as I am quite far from having all answers.
Discussions should be had face to face, but some start online and deserve to be answered online (and also pose opportunity to become documentation). Simon Josefsson blogs about The case for short OpenPGP key validity periods. This will be an important issue to tackle, as we will soon require keys in the Debian keyring to have a set expiration date (surprise surprise!) and I agree with Simon, setting an expiration date far in the future means very little.
There is a caveat with using, as he suggests, very short expiry periods: We have a human factor sitting in the middle. Keyring updates in Debian are done approximately once a month, and I do not see the period shortening. That means, only once a month we (currently Jonathan McDowell and myself, and we expect to add Daniel Kahn Gillmor soon) take the full changeset and compile a new keyring that replaces the active one in Debian.
This means that if you have, as Simon suggests, a 100-day validity key, you have to remember to update it at least every 70 days, or you might be locked out during the days it takes us to process it.
I set my expiration period to two years, although I might shorten it to only one. I expect to add checks+notifications before we enable this requirement project-wide (so that Debian servers will mail you when your key is close to expiry); I think that mail can be sent at approximately [expiry date - 90 days] to give you time both to you and to us to act. Probably the optimal expiration periods under such conditions would be between 180 and 365 days.
But, yes, this is by far not yet a ruling, but a point in the discussion. We still have some days of DebConf, and I'll enjoy revising this point. And Simon, even if we correct some bits for these details, I'd like to have your permission to use this fine blog post as part of our documentation!
(And on completely unrelated news: Congratulations to our dear and very much missed friend Bubulle for completely losing his sanity and running for 28 hours and a half straight! He briefly describes this adventure when it was about to start, and we all want him to tell us how it was. Mr. Running French Guy, you are amazing!)
Submitted by gwolf on Thu, 06/05/2014 - 23:20
John states some very important reasons for people everywhere to verify the identities of those parties they sign GPG keys with in a meaningful way, and that means, not just trusting government-issued IDs. As he says, It's not the Web of Amateur ID Checking. And I'll take the opportunity to expand, based on what some of us saw in Debian, on what this means.
I know most people (even most people involved in Free Software development — not everybody needs to join a globally-distributed, thousand-people-strong project such as Debian) are not that much into GPG, trust keyrings, or understand the value of a strong set of cross-signatures. I know many people have never been part of a key-signing party.
I have been to several. And it was a very interesting experience. Fun, at the beginning at least, but quite tiring at the end. I was part of what could very well constitute the largest KSP ever in DebConf5 (Finland, 2005). Quite awe-inspiring — We were over 200 people, all lined up with a printed list on one hand, our passport (or ID card for EU citizens) in the other. Actwally, we stood face to face, in a ribbon-like ring. And, after the basic explanation was given, it was time to check ID documents. And so it began.
The rationale of this ring is that every person who signed up for the KSP would verify each of the others' identities. Were anything fishy to happen, somebody would surely raise a voice of alert. Of course, the interaction between every two people had to be quick — More like a game than like a real check. "Hi, I'm #142 on the list. I checked, my ID is OK and my fingerprint is OK." "OK, I'm #35, I also printed the document and checked both my ID and my fingerprint are OK." The passport changes hands, the person in front of me takes the unique opportunity to look at a Mexican passport while I look at a Somewhere-y one. And all is fine and dandy. The first interactions do include some chatter while we grab up speed, so maybe a minute is spent — Later on, we all get a bit tired, and things speed up a bit. But anyway, we were close to 200 people — That means we surely spent over 120 minutes (2 full hours) checking ID documents. Of course, not all of the time under ideal lighting conditions.
After two hours, nobody was checking anything anymore. But yes, as a group where we trust each other more than most social groups I have ever met, we did trust on others raising the alarm were anything fishy to happen. And we all finished happy and got home with a bucketload of signatures on. Yay!
One year later, DebConf happened in Mexico. My friend Martin Krafft tested the system, perhaps cheerful and playful in his intent — but the flaw in key signing parties such as the one I described he unveiled was huge: People join the KSP just because it's a social ritual, without putting any thought or judgement in it. And, by doing so, we ended up dilluting instead of strengthening our web of trust.
Martin identified himself using an official-looking ID. According to his recount of the facts, he did start presenting a German ID and later switched to this other document. We could say it was a real ID from a fake country, or that it was a fake ID. It is up to each person to judge. But anyway, Martin brought his Transnational Republic ID document, and many tens of people agreed to sign his key based on it — Or rather, based on it plus his outgoing, friendly personality. I did, at least, know perfectly well who he was, after knowing him for three years already. Many among us also did. Until he reached a very dilligent person, Manoj, that got disgusted by this experiment and loudly denounced it. Right, Manoj is known to have strong views, and using fake IDs is (or, at least, was) outside his definition of fair play. Some time after DebConf, a huge thread erupted questioning Martin's actions, as well as questioning what do we trust when we sign an identity document (a GPG key).
So... We continued having traditional key signing parties for a couple of years, although more carefully and with more buzz regarding these issues. Until we finally decided to switch the protocol to a better one: One that ensures we do get some more talk and inter-personal recognition. We don't need everybody to cross-sign with everyone else — A better trust comes from people chatting with each other and being able to actually pin-point who a person is, what do they do. And yes, at KSPs most people still require ID documents in order to cross-sign.
Now... What do I think about this? First of all, if we have not ever talked for at least enough time for me to recognize you, don't be surprised: I won't sign your key or request you to sign mine (and note, I have quite a bad memory when it comes to faces and names). If it's the first conference (or social ocassion) we come together, I will most likely not look for key exchanges either.
My personal way of verifying identities is by knowing the other person. So, no, I won't trust a government-issued ID. I know I will be signing some people based on something other than their name, but hey — I know many people already who live pseudonymously, and if they choose for whatever reason to forgo their original name, their original name should not mean anything to me either. I know them by their pseudonym, and based on that pseudonym I will sign their identities.
But... *sigh*, this post turned out quite long, and I'm not yet getting anywhere ;-)
But what this means in the end is: We must stop and think what do we mean when we exchange signatures. We are not validating a person's worth. We are not validating that a government believes who they claim to be. We are validating we trust them to be identified with the (name,mail,affiliation) they are presenting us. And yes, our signature is much more than just a social rite — It is a binding document. I don't know if a GPG signature is legally binding anywhere (I'm tempted to believe it is, as most jurisdictions do accept digital signatures, and the procedure is mathematically sound and criptographically strong), but it does have a high value for our project, and for many other projects in the Free Software world.
So, wrapping up, I will also invite (just like John did) you to read the E-mail self-defense guide, published by the FSF in honor of today's Reset The Net effort.
Submitted by gwolf on Mon, 05/05/2014 - 12:37
I was invited to give a talk at a local conference, OS-UPIITA. I have been invited to this conference before, and will gladly be there again. But I was recently pointed at the invitation poster they are distributing (which I reproduce here for your convenience) — And I must make a couple of corrections here:
But anyway, I will be very happy to be there, and believe me, am working to come up with a good talk.
OS-UPIITA friends: Please correct your online banners carrying this wrong data.
[update] OS-UPIITA changed the poster! I'm just keeping this one for the memory ;-)
[update 2] I was there, and gave the talk. And it was even a success, yay! \o/ Care to see it? Here is the presented material.
Submitted by gwolf on Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:15
I have heard many good things about Docker, and decided to give it a spin on my systems. I think application-level virtualization has a lot to offer to my workflow...
But the process to understand and later adopt it has left me somewhat heart-torn.
Docker is clearly great technology, but its documentation is... Condescending and completely out of line with what I have grown used to in my years using Linux. First, there is so much simplistic self-praise sprinkled throughout it. There is almost no page I landed on that does not mention how user-friendly and user-centric Docker's commandline arguments are — They let you talk in almost plain1 English. What they don't mention is that... Well, that's the way of basically every command-line tool. Of course, as soon as you start specifying details to it, the plain-Englishness starts dilluting into a more realistic English-inspiredness...
Then... Things that go against our historical culture. It is often said that Windows documentation tends to be repetitive because users don't have the patience to read a full document. And our man pages are succint and to the point, because in our culture it is expected that users know how to search for the bit of information they are after. But reading documentation that's so excited with itself and praises again and again the same values and virtues, but never gets to the point I am interested in getting at (be it deployment, interoperation, description of the in-disk images+overlays layout, or anything moderately technical) never gets there... makes me quite unhappy.
Last (for now)... Such a continuous sales pitch, an insistence on the good virtues, makes me wary of something they might be hiding.
Anyway, at least for now, I just wanted to play a bit with it; I will wait at least until there is a backport to the stable Debian version before I consider moving my LXC VMs setup over to Docker (and a backport does not seem trivial to achieve, as Docker has several updated low-level dependencies we are unlikely to see in Wheezy).
But I had to vent this. OK, now go back to your regular work ;-)
Submitted by gwolf on Sat, 03/15/2014 - 22:10
As I posted some weeks ago, I have been playing with my CuBox-i4Pro, a gorgeous little ARM machine by SolidRun, built around an iMX6 system-on-a-chip.
My first stabs at using it resulted in my previous post on how to get a base, almost-clean Debian distribution to run (Almost? Yes, the kernel requires some patches not yet accepted upstream, so I'm still running with a patched 3.0.35-8 kernel). After writing this step by step instructions, I followed them and built images ready to dd to a SD card and start running (available at my people.debian.org space.
Now, what to do with this little machine? My version is by no means a limited box: 4 ARM cores, 2GB RAM make a quite decent box. In my case, this little machine will most likely be a home storage server with little innovation. However, the little guy is a power server, at only 3W consumption. I wanted to test its capabilities to do some number crunching and aid some of my friends — The obvious candidate is building a Blender render farm. Right, the machines might be quite underpowered, but they are cheap (and look gorgeous!), so at least it's worth playing a bit!
Just as a data point, running on an old hard disk (and not on my very slow SD card), the little machine was able to compile the Blender sources into a Debian package in 89m13.537s, that is, 5353 seconds. According to the Debian build logs (yes, for a different version, I tried with the version in Wheezy and in a clean Wheezy system), the time it took to build on some other architectures' build daemons was 1886s on i386, 1098s on PowerPC, 2003s on AMD64, 11513s on MIPS and 27721 on ARMHF. That means, my little machine is quite slower than desktop systems, but not unbearably so.
But sadly, I have hit a wall, and have been unable to do any further progress. Blender segfaults at startup under the Debian armhf architecture. I have submitted bug report #739194 about this, but have got no replies to it yet. I did get the great help from my friends in the OFTC #debian-arm channel, but they could only help up to a given point. It seems the problem lies in the Python interpreter in armhf, not in Blender itself... But I cannot get much further either. I'm sending this as a blog post to try to get more eyeballs on my problem — How selfish, right? :-)
So, slightly going over the bug report, blender just dies at startup:
After being told that strace is of little help when debugging this kind of issues, I went via gdb. A full backtrace pointed to what feels like the right error point:
I'm not pasting here the full bug history (go to the bug report for the full information!), but it does point me to this being a problem in Python-land: It points to something not found at line 59 of Python/errors.c. And what I understand from that line is that some kind of unknown exception is thrown, and the Python interpreter does not now what to do with it. The check done at line 59 is the if (exception != NULL ** ....:
So... Dear lazyweb: Any pointers on where to go on from here?
Submitted by gwolf on Mon, 03/03/2014 - 13:09
I have just pushed our pseudo-monthly batch of keyring updates to Debian. I am happy to inform you that, while the situation described in Clint Adams' interesting assessment of the state of the Debian keyring (and the quite constructive conversation that followed) still holds, and we still have way too many weak (1024D) keys in the Debian keyring, we got a noticeable effect as a result of said thread: 20 key upgrade requests in somewhat over a one week period! (mostly from DDs, with two from DMs IIRC).
So, for any DD or DM reading this and not following the debian-project list where this thread took place:
As keyring maintainers, we no longer consider 1024D keys to be trustable. We are not yet mass-removing them, because we don't want to hamper the project's work, but we definitively will start being more aggressively deprecating their use. 1024D keys should be seen as brute-force vulnerable nowadays. Please do migrate away from them into stronger keys (4096R recommended) as soon as possible.
If you have a key with not-so-many active DD signatures (with not-so-many ≥ 2) waiting to get it more signed, stop waiting and request the key replacement.
If you do not yet have a 4096R key, create a new one as soon as possible and get some signatures on it. Once ≥2 DDs have signed it, please request us to replace your old key. If you cannot get to meet two DDs in person, please talk to us and we will find out what to do.
Submitted by gwolf on Sat, 02/15/2014 - 11:03
For those of you who didn't yet know it: My mother is a painter. A serious, professional, respected painter. But she sometimes goes to the funny side as well — Of course, with all due professionalism!
So, she gave us this great gift: She took one of our pictures from DebConf12 (from the "Conference Dinner" night), and painted it. Real size even!
So, next time you come to our house, even if we are not around to greet you, we will be glad to welcome you to the Residence!
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